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Be Kind. Work Hard.

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Cara’s post about blog manners makes me glad that the eight or ten folks out there who actually read this blog are really nice.  I’ve never gotten a mean comment here, in two years of blogging.  (There’s not many of you out there, to paraphrase Spencer Tracy, but what there is is cherce!)

So here are a few somewhat random thoughts that have come into my head while reading Cara’s post and the resulting discussion —

I do disagree with the people who said that because blogging is a new medium, we are still working out the issues of politeness.  Talking has been around for thousands of years.  It’s the same thing.  Blogging is a monologue at first, yes, but there is a significant area of it which is dialogue, or we wouldn’t do it, we would make scrapbooks for our knitting projects, or keep our writing in the journals under our pillows.  We want the connection to others.  (This is another reason that I always reply to comments made here.  It’s not just because my grandma told me I should be polite, but because I appreciate that someone has made the effort, small as it might be, to comment, to make that connection.  I also think that we should reply to the commenter.  Would you make someone come to your house to get the thank-you note you wrote?)  We should apply the same courtesies we give in conversation and everyday life to the conversations we have online.

Of course we want to be liked, of course we want just a little bit of attention, or we wouldn’t be blogging atal.  (Aren’t we just a bit dismayed when we write a post and nobody comments?)  That doesn’t mean we want to set ourselves up as a target for someone’s rudeness and/or bitterness.

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We have lost so much of our sense of personal responsibility in the last fifty years or so that we don’t always remember that it isn’t "me, me, me" all the time.  "Free speech," in the classic example, doesn’t give us license to shout "fire!" in a crowded theater, and it doesn’t give us the right to heap invective on someone who happens to have an opinion different from our own, or who is spending a lot of time being fascinated with a project that we may, perhaps, er, find relatively uninteresting.

I never thought I would knit socks.  "Meh, socks.  What’s the big deal about these Jaywalkers, anyway?"  Now look at me!  Wouldn’t I be feeling really stupid right now, if I’d told Cara last summer to stop already with the Jaywalkers!

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It can be difficult for readers who don’t personally know the blogger to "get the whole picture."  Unlike some bloggers, I choose not to give the whole picture — there is much of my life, even much of my blogging life, that does not appear here, and so I don’t always realize that the mental image that Bluestocking readers have of me is not the mental image I have of myself.  I have to accept the fact that I may be misinterpreted because the alternatives are either a) be less reserved, or b) stop blogging, neither of which I want to do.  Likewise, I must understand that I may misinterpret a commenter who chooses not to a) be reserved, or b) stop commenting.  But then by a fairly logical extension, the commenter must consider that I, or any other blogger, may in fact be a real person with real feelings, and might as it happens be someone not unlike the commenter him- or herself.  (A year or so ago, I passed along something I thought amusing, which another blogger found quite revolting, to my utter surprise, and said so in no uncertain terms.  It colored my whole perception of that blogger, and I was so stung that I could not bring myself to even lurk for some time.  But now that I do again, I am constantly amazed at how similar we are in so many other areas.)

Maybe I’m a bit sensitive on the subject of catty remarks because I’ve always been a bit awkward and bookish and I use words like "rivulet" which makes me a dork (isn’t it funny how your mental image of yourself still sticks around from junior high?!), and I’ve been on the receiving end of those kind of remarks, even as late as in my thirties.  I can’t be surprised that there are rude people out there — I see it too often, from ostensibly trivial things like blog comments to drivers on the freeway to horrible events in the news, rudeness taken to its ultimate, devastating conclusion.  Just because I’m not surprised doesn’t mean that I understand it, though.  Why waste all of that time and mental energy on being mean?

(And yes, I have made a few of those catty remarks in my time.  Sometimes I wish the earth would swallow me up, I’m so mortified.  That’s what’s so great about the "publish" button — you don’t have to click on it.  You have a second chance to think about what you’re saying before you say it.) 

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Stephanie’s remark that her blog is like her living room, and that she expects people to behave in her comments section the way they would (one hopes) in her living room, is worth remembering.

I apologize to the people who come here today and think "not another post about blog manners!"  This is just my two cents.  I was sorry that Cara felt compelled to write her post, because it meant that she is disturbed by the negativity she’s experienced, but on the other hand, I was glad that it was Cara who wrote it, as she obviously reached a lot of people — 185 comments at the time I write this! — and if more eyes have been opened, so much the better.

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Jaywalkers in "Java" Cherry Tree Hill Supersock, finished yesterday.  I worked these on larger needles than I’ve used before for Supersock, so the fabric is finer than usual — maybe just a tad thin, but wonderfully silky.

24 responses to “Be Kind. Work Hard.”

  1. alicia Avatar

    I agree totally! It’s really disheartening to read some of the extremely nasty comments left when opinions differ or for whatever reason. I tend to think that those are the type of folks who would be rude to you in your living room though. Rudeness seems to be the order of the day when differences emerge these days. That’s very sad because a civilized dialogue can bring so much to both parties.

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  2. Laurie Avatar
    Laurie

    Well said.
    Oh yes, beautiful socks:) I ran out of steam about 3 rows from the heel turn. Sigh. Every now and then I take it out of the basket, admire it, and put it down.
    Maybe you’ve inspired me to finish the poor thing!

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  3. Aimee Avatar

    I agree–sometimes comments should just remain part of the internal monologue 🙂
    And those socks look loverly! I’m a big fan of subtle color variations, and Java was a color I’ve been considering…maybe now I’ll have to snag a skein.

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  4. kelli ann Avatar

    thank you for saying this so well. we (myself included) spend so much time in the blogosphere/on the computer some days, and it does have this weird streak to it: be it knitting or music or cooking or learning the guitar or knish-baking– sometimes the negativity & not-so-thoughtful-ness can get very Loud. it takes quite an effort to be mindful here, i find. thank you for stepping back & giving us your thoughts, jeanne. (still stabbing at ‘labels’ up here, too. sigh. they do stick.)

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  5. Lee Avatar
    Lee

    I am an infrequent commenter but frequent lurker on many blogs. Sometimes I have a negative reaction to something someone posts on their blog but it would never occur to me put it in the comments. I might disagree with a friend on her clothing choices or life choices but it is not for me to criticize unless asked. In a funny way the blogs that I read feel as if they are written by friends.

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  6. kylie Avatar

    manners are important – and as a society, not just in blogsphere, we are quickly losing sight of that. I like your comment about respecting and acknowledging the effort that’s been made, as well as being polite.
    And I know I’ve said it before, but I LOVE the Jaywalkers in that wool!!! I am going to head off and see if I can find a supplier to ship it to Australia!!!

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  7. Christina Avatar
    Christina

    Maybe I am passive-aggressive, but instead of leaving nasty comments, I just stop reading the blog. Your example of Cara’s Jaywalker-craziness is a perfect example: I stopped reading her blog. It is her prerogative to knit Jaywalkers and it’s mine to not read about it.

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  8. Theresa Avatar

    So lovely to post about Cara and Jaywalkers at the same time.

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  9. Cara Avatar

    Nice socks. 😉 Thanks for reading.

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  10. Jeanne Avatar

    Lee, it IS weird, isn’t it. Obviously, you know me better than I know you. I wonder if that isn’t part of the reason that those comments come out. I feel that I know a blogger from having read her for years, so I say something flippant without realizing that she doesn’t know me from Adam. The thing is to be aware of possible misunderstandings. I think that sometimes I delete comments I’m writing more often that I publish them, when I think, “ooh, that sounds so wrong!”
    But I like to think that we all ARE friends, just at a remove from the face-to-face kind.
    Christina, I don’t think it’s passive-aggressive at all, it’s just common sense. Why waste your time reading about something you have no interest in?! (On the other hand, you never know, as I pointed out with me and not only Jaywalkers, but socks in general.)
    Ooh, I hesitate to mention now that I’m working on (ack) another pair of Jaywalkers. But I did cast on yesterday for a Flower Basket shawl, so it won’t be All Jaywalkers, All the Time, at least!

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  11. Rose Red Avatar

    Thanks for this post Jeanne – I read Cara’s post too (I saw a link to it somewhere else) and found it said exactly what I am thinking (as does yours).

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  12. Mary Avatar

    It’s an interesting topic and one I’ve thought about quite a bit as well. It hasn’t happened to me (that I know of!) but I’ve seen other bloggers judged and talked about in online forums; it happened to someone I knew personally and I couldn’t believe the nastiness that some people were writing about someone they didn’t know at all. But on the other hand, we choose to put ourselves out there and invite people to read what we write, so shouldn’t we accept the rough with the smooth? I suppose that I would be happy with negative comments if they were directed at something concrete that I had written about, not a picture of me that someone had built up in their head.

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  13. Monika Avatar

    I’m sure you have more readers than you realize! ;o)

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  14. jordan Avatar

    I often feel like I’m caught in my eighth-grade self’s psyche – and it’s not a comfortable place to be!! But I hope it helps me be a little more understanding of others. Not to be all Emily Post or anything, but I don’t think people (including myself) can be reminded of manners too much. Thanks for your post.

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  15. Juno Avatar

    Jeanne,
    Do you have an rss feed? I have never been able to get your blog to show up an a feed aggregator and as a consequence, I often miss your posts. Entirely my fault for being dependent on newsgator or bloglines.
    But I always enjoy what you have to say.

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  16. Elizabeth Avatar

    Luckily, I have not been on the receiving end of bad comments, either. Probably because what I have to say is not very controversial? I do edit my comments to others often because I have a rather sarcastic sense of humour sometimes and I don’t always know if the kibbitzing will be received as intended. Nuances are difficult things on the internet. Common courtesy is not.

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  17. Knitnana Avatar

    You know, even as I was reading along, agreeing with everything you had to say (oh, Miss Manners, where are you now? We have gotten to be so RUDE in this 21st century!)
    ….
    as I read along, I kept being seduced by your photos…knowing it was Jaywalker, but thinking “What IS that yarn? What IS that colorway…It’s yummy!” It was a tad difficult to stay on your topic in my mind…
    🙂
    It’s Java. No wonder. I love love love it.
    I see from posting now (#17 I think) that you do have more than 10 readers! I do lurk more than I should, I’m sorry. But thank you for inviting me into your living room!
    Your knitting is gorgeous, and you always seem to have something interesting to say, even as I’m drooling over your photos!
    ((((hugs))))

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  18. Cathi Myers Avatar

    Oh those Jaywalkers are yummy!! I think I “need” that yarn. Love your blog. Always feel like a treat has been discovered when I check to see if you have posted and you have. Nice to find it showing up on Bloglines now.

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  19. melanie Avatar

    Bravo, both on the philosophy and the socks. I just got through a very nasty phase on a group blog where I once belonged. I also got slammed on an “-along” blog to which I’d been invited! I’ve been fortunate with both Tea Reads and Tea Leaves – nothing really nasty has happened.
    People are people, wherever they are no matter what medium. Bloggers can be nice, distant, cranky, power-hungry, and just plain awful.I think that’s the lesson I take from these experiences. It does seem kind of basic, but – I guess I’m a little naive!
    I do love your blog – as a fellow blue-stocking and a new sock-knitter. I love the Jaywalkers and one day, I hope to feel comfortable with the pattern. Yours are very, very pretty – wear them in good health!

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  20. Plain Jane Avatar

    The best thing about knitting blogs is that the vast majority of knitters seem to be super nice people. But Stephanie’s rule about acting like you’re face to face in someone’s living room is a good one to keep in mind. So far, I’ve never had a nasty comment on my blog and I’ve never – to my knowledge – left one on someone else’s (really hoping here that no one has ever misread something I said). The socks are wonderful -the color, the style and the talent it took to make them.

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  21. Mel Avatar

    I think the discussion going on over blog manners is a really great idea. I must confess, I have been a previously “not nice” commenter, and I think the root of my lack of perspective is that because I don’t see the person I’m talking to, I don’t feel as if it were a real conversation. However, my eyes have been opened. BTW, those socks are wonderful.

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  22. Tola Avatar

    Just found your blog. LOVED this post and felt compelled to tell you so. I’ve recently had to make my blog private (for awhile) to avoid a particularly nasty reader, so your words really hit home. Please email me if you’d like an invitation to read. Have a great day!

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  23. Bee Avatar

    I love how your Jaywalkers turned out. I found knitting with CTH that it was a bit thin too but I loved the colourway. Great job!

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  24. Nancy Avatar

    Weeks and weeks ago I read this post, but went off to read Cara’s post and never found my way back. Links – love ’em but they bring out the worst of my blog reading ADD.
    First, the childishly curious part of me would love to know what “quite revolting” thing you wrote. I can’t resolve the image of some who loves “rivulet” being a person who makes revolting comments. It’s ok, you don’t have to tell, but that was a big tease! 😉
    Emoticons seem to be passe, but I still use them for what they offer – a small sense of what you would see if we were together. No, not me winking (not much of a winker really), but you’d see and hear the humor. The lack of non-verbal clues does seem to lead to some breakdowns.
    Not knowing Cara beyond her posts and a few comments we’ve shared, I’m not directing this at her personally, but I’ve noticed that bloggers who reveal more intimate details get more flack. Exposing oneself seems to lift the courtesy barrier. I think the media saturation of reality programs, where full disclosure of every emotion is expected and open for scathing comment, has desensitized people to concept of privacy that civilized society uses to preserve, well, civility. Don’t tell me your dirty little secrets and I won’t tell you mine. Instead let’s talk about more interesting things. I’ve found I prefer the civilized blogs, present company included.
    Cheers.
    PS, the socks are great. You’re making me want to pull mine out, which is a feat indeed. And, no, I really, truly honestly did not see that pun when I typed that.

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